Free Search - USA - November 2008

Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby sgrooms » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:39 pm

Oh, and welcome ajaerni! I'm new to the forums as well. I think my first post was just five or six days ago
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby bit1313 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:53 pm

Skizz wrote:
32 30 31 6a 39 77 73 6a 72 76 6a 6f 79 73.
6a 79 6b 34 77 79 73 78 6b 34 68 31 62 78
72 77 31 72 78 76 6a 31 6a
71 6d 6f 6e 30 78 72 76 6a 63 32 77 37 6a
38 76 30 34 6a 71 6d 71 6d 72 77 70 6a 78
62 68 69 72 76 6a 31 6a
61 6a 72 38 6a 6a 79 71 77 78 73 6f 77 72
67 66 77 79 73 64 75.

2,1,6,3,4,5,9,0

and here's the decoded text:

201j9wsjrvjoys.
jyk4wysxk4h1bx
rw1rxvj1j
qmon0xrvjc2w7j
8v04jqmqmrwpjx
bhirvj1j
ajr8jjyqwxsowr
gfwysdu.


The last line makes no sense at the moment.

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Here is what I was thinking...it doesn't get us any further along... yet.

What if the numbers are referencing steps to take?

2 = Combo two letters/numbers together (which is what we did from the strings to get the hex)
1 = Translated to 1 letter/number per 2 (hex) (which is what we did from the hex)

I was just in the shower (where I do my best thinking) and thought... was the third number 3? Was there three periods? 3 sentences? But that's not it.
But maybe it's how we need to break it down...
So now it's 6.
6 what?
6 words?
6 sentences (no)
6 lines (no)

Also, I was thinking that once we get to 0 have we "zeroed in" on the clue? (i.e. no more translation... now figure out what the riddle/clue is)

I also noticed that there are 8 lines in the original code and 8 number references.
Numbers 7 and 8 are missing when you consider numbers 0-9.

So we have running numbers 1-6 and then 9 and 0.

Is it to reorder the lines? Then why not numbers 1-8?

2,1,6,3,4,5,9,0
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby sgrooms » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:16 pm

bit1313 wrote:
I also noticed that there are 8 lines in the original code and 8 number references.
Numbers 7 and 8 are missing when you consider numbers 0-9.

So we have running numbers 1-6 and then 9 and 0.

Is it to reorder the lines? Then why not numbers 1-8?
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Thought the same thing. Could be both; the order or the lines as well as the key.
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby ajaerni » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:16 pm

Latest research has turned up the following, but I can't find more info regarding the Gronsfeld Cipher nor it's corresponding 10 alphabets :(

"The Gronsfeld cipher is a variant created by Count Gronsfeld which is identical to the Vigenère cipher, except that it uses just 10 different cipher alphabets (corresponding to the digits 0 to 9)." (Wikipedia)

...this corresponds and matches with what we think is our Cipher (2,1,6,3,4,5,9,0) - digits 0 - 9.

(don't know why 7 and 8 aren't used though? - *scratching head*)
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby sgrooms » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:23 pm

tried googling 21634590, all I got was a piano store in Mass.
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby sgrooms » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:32 pm

ajaerni wrote:Latest research has turned up the following, but I can't find more info regarding the Gronsfeld Cipher nor it's corresponding 10 alphabets :(

"The Gronsfeld cipher is a variant created by Count Gronsfeld which is identical to the Vigenère cipher, except that it uses just 10 different cipher alphabets (corresponding to the digits 0 to 9)." (Wikipedia)

...this corresponds and matches with what we think is our Cipher (2,1,6,3,4,5,9,0) - digits 0 - 9.

(don't know why 7 and 8 aren't used though? - *scratching head*)


I tried a gronsfeld with my vigenere decryptor, just used CBGDEFJA instead of 21634590. Tried with A=1 and A=0, even though I believe A=0 since we have the digit "0."

EDIT: When using A=1, I used the letter O to substitute the digit 0
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby ajaerni » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:46 pm

(assuming A=0) Perhaps a Running Key Cipher with reverse location (location usually given in letters; we were given numbers)? I know; we don't have a "second to last" portion in our text to input the running key starting point) BUT - 21634590 would yield us location of CBGDEFJA (wtf?!) No luck at descramble, coordinates, pages, lines, paragraphs, etc.
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby ajaerni » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:22 pm

8 lines and 8 numbers in the cipher: 1yjnjjyg
(line 1, 2nd character = 1 ...remember we have a 0 in the cipher) line 2, 1st character = y, etc etc.
(dead end)
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Transposition Ciphering (group in sets and read vertically) in groups of 8, 7, 6, 5, and 4 are all dead-ends
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Characters in each line:
14, 14, 9, 14, 14, 8, 14, 7
...no visible patterns there
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<---- Clearly stumped
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby sgrooms » Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:39 am

stumped as well.

I bet you it's something extremely simple too. We're going to kick ourselves when someone solves it.
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby inversemodulus » Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:37 am

:lol: i'm gona get trashed tonight and have a go at it. maybe i'll come up with something :lol:
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby Z3r0San1ty » Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:40 am

ajaerni wrote:
So with that said, the NYC coin could still be there... what other US searches haven't been solved yet. I saw that the Lakota tribe coin was missing or has been found already. What about the big red, big red? (sorry - getting off topic I guess from Nov '08 puzzle)



they have been both solved by myself, though big red has been confirmed and taken by me, but the lakota tribe coin is missing.
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby sgrooms » Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:31 am

Z3r0San1ty wrote:
ajaerni wrote:
So with that said, the NYC coin could still be there... what other US searches haven't been solved yet. I saw that the Lakota tribe coin was missing or has been found already. What about the big red, big red? (sorry - getting off topic I guess from Nov '08 puzzle)



they have been both solved by myself, though big red has been confirmed and taken by me, but the lakota tribe coin is missing.


Why hasn't the big red one been marked FOUND?
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby Z3r0San1ty » Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:37 am

sgrooms wrote:
Z3r0San1ty wrote:
ajaerni wrote:
So with that said, the NYC coin could still be there... what other US searches haven't been solved yet. I saw that the Lakota tribe coin was missing or has been found already. What about the big red, big red? (sorry - getting off topic I guess from Nov '08 puzzle)



they have been both solved by myself, though big red has been confirmed and taken by me, but the lakota tribe coin is missing.


Why hasn't the big red one been marked FOUND?


Cuz there lazy? Lol not sure but that needs to be set to Found and the March needs to be set to Lost Coin
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby sgrooms » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:13 am

and the other one we're "hoping" is still there when it re-opens correct?
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Re: Free Search - USA - November 2008

Postby Z3r0San1ty » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:51 am

sgrooms wrote:and the other one we're "hoping" is still there when it re-opens correct?


correct the gold coin lol
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