theory vs god

[ohb242]

earth and its creator but who is it a force in space or the big guy him self GOD the choice is yours!!!!!

[evilkeen]

Hmm, you haven't given us an option if we believe both are true! I don't think there's too much doubt over the 'big bang' being the way it happened, but perhaps the question should be whether we believe God organised that, or whether it just happened by accident!

[Kheldar]

Well, according to the Bible, Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The rest of the chapter expounds on that statement by saying that God said it, and it was done. There is no description of anything in existence before God spoke it into being. I don't see how you can believe in both though, because the Bible pretty much lays it out there there was nothing, then something; the Big Bang Theory presumes that something was already there, collided, and then everything else was formed. If you believe the Bible, the only thing existing before the universe was God himself.

Other thoughts?

[steve]

Oh dear, I should have kept my gob shut.

[anima999]

According to the reading I have done there is also a train of thought in the physics world that the universe moves in cycles with infinite amounts of big bangs.

The universe at the moment is expanding. At some point if our laws of physics are correct then there will come a time when the universe will stop expanding and shrink again. To get over the question of "what was before the big bang" you can say it is a cycle with the universe being 'created' over and over again every few trillion years or so.

No one can fully understand the fourth dimension - Time. For us time moves only in one linear direction - forwards. The problem comes in that we understand the other three dimensions. So trying to apply the same logic and theory of these three dimensions to the fourth can kick up problems. i.e if you move your hand left then there must be space to the right afterwards and there must have been space infront of it before you moved it. Thinking of time in the same way; if time moves to the forward by 5 minutes then there must be 5 minutes of time behind it, instead of ; time has moved forward 5 minutes and thats it, nothing before or after, just now.

Also we are used to have boundries, and the concept of 'nothing' is hard to grasp for everyone except my bank manager. What if there was nothing before the big bang and there is nothing outside the expanding universe? We can't grasp the concept of nothing because we understand only 3 dimensions; the ones that define area...and everything has area in our little minds.

Now I'm going to read this again in the morning after the lager I've been drinking tonight has worn off and make sure I havn't embarrassed myself.

[Kheldar]

Also we are used to have boundries, and the concept of 'nothing' is hard to grasp for everyone except my bank manager. What if there was nothing before the big bang and there is nothing outside the expanding universe? We can't grasp the concept of nothing because we understand only 3 dimensions; the ones that define area...and everything has area in our little minds.

Agreed. That's why it's so hard for many to believe in God and that there was "nothing" except God before creation. We don't comprehend nothingness because it's outside our mind's capable understanding.

[stet]

God said "Let there be light!" and the Big Bang (which was probably pretty bright) happened...

[steve]

We don't comprehend nothingness because it's outside our mind's capable understanding.

To comprehend nothingness is surly as hard as it is to comprehend god.
The big bang theory, as far as I understand it is like anima999 said, in that it cycles, but as has also been said, what was there before the cycle started?
The same question must be asked about god, what was before god, anything?

[evilkeen]

To comprehend nothingness is surly as hard as it is to comprehend god.

Quite. I certainly don't pretend to understand the Big Bang or God, but that's not necessarily a reason for not believing that either of them could be true!

[bluesign2k]

...The big bang theory, as far as I understand it is like anima999 said, in that it cycles, but as has also been said, what was there before the cycle started?...

Thats easy... before the cycle started there was one single point that was infinitely small and had infinite mass (and therefore an infinite gravitational field too), know as a singularity.
Unfortunately, nobody knows where it came from..... back to square one again I guess

[cornettracing80]

funny ..everyone thought bill gates was the anti-christ and now he is curing malaria in africa...now the top dog seems to be Apple..lets talk about that...lets see if satan wanted to start a company..what would his symbol be?...one of his defining moments in time?..when that Female (ya i said it) bit the apple from the tree of knowledge...hence the Apple icon appears..
our universe is the atomic nucleus of a single cell
that is why it is infinite..you are comprised of millions of universes inhabited by solar systems of inhabitable planets like earth
the circle of life twisted is infinity
chicken/egg arguments rule
was Ra pissed when god drowned his soldiers in the sea of reeds?
why do we only hear moses side of the story?
if 666 is the devils numbers wouldnt 4 7's in a circle be gods symbol?(draw it once..see what i mean)
in the kuran it says to kill jews on sight...maybe mel was right...how could the jewish people be the children of god if they where responsible for killing jesus..judah was jewish..me thinks there are missing chapters in The Book..
i am not a practicing christian but i love religious theorism...mary magdalen is the holy grail
Sarah was Jesus's Daughters name so says Mr. Brown

[ChadH]

According to the reading I have done there is also a train of thought in the physics world that the universe moves in cycles with infinite amounts of big bangs.

The universe at the moment is expanding. At some point if our laws of physics are correct then there will come a time when the universe will stop expanding and shrink again. To get over the question of "what was before the big bang" you can say it is a cycle with the universe being 'created' over and over again every few trillion years or so.

No one can fully understand the fourth dimension - Time. For us time moves only in one linear direction - forwards. The problem comes in that we understand the other three dimensions. So trying to apply the same logic and theory of these three dimensions to the fourth can kick up problems. i.e if you move your hand left then there must be space to the right afterwards and there must have been space infront of it before you moved it. Thinking of time in the same way; if time moves to the forward by 5 minutes then there must be 5 minutes of time behind it, instead of ; time has moved forward 5 minutes and thats it, nothing before or after, just now.

Also we are used to have boundries, and the concept of 'nothing' is hard to grasp for everyone except my bank manager. What if there was nothing before the big bang and there is nothing outside the expanding universe? We can't grasp the concept of nothing because we understand only 3 dimensions; the ones that define area...and everything has area in our little minds.

Now I'm going to read this again in the morning after the lager I've been drinking tonight has worn off and make sure I havn't embarrassed myself.

Don't forget the 5th dimension of probability. For us, that is a constant dimension; never moving. However, the ability to move through the dimension of probability opens up a whole new world of how to define the universe. My own personal theory is that the probability dimension is where you would find all these multiple universes that exist as defined by Quantum theory.

It makes my head hurt just thinking about it though

I think the easist way to understand the existence of additional dimensions is to consider a being that is only capable of understanding 2 dimensions - eg a 2 dimensional being drawn on a piece of paper. We are aware of that being, because we can see it along the 3rd dimension that it is not aware of. But because we are not at the same level as it on that 3rd dimension, it is not aware of us - ie, it can see left/right and forwards/backwards, but not up and down.

EDIT
BTW, I selected God in the poll, but then my definition of God is probably somewhat different to everyone elses

[ChadH]

Can you imagine losing your keys whilst having the ability to travel 5 dimensions
I have enough trouble if I lose them in 3

I know I left them on the table at 4pm, but I just can't remember which universe I left them in

[Kheldar]

Can you imagine losing your keys whilst having the ability to travel 5 dimensions

That's it! The solution to ISIS 5!

[cornettracing80]

^^^^